systlin:

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lord-kitschener:

notabrobro:

swordmutual:

swordmutual:

debate: is a really long sword-length but still otherwise knife-like knife valid to be considered a knife, or is it now a sword because it’s long

@nagunkgunk

It’s a knword and it’s Valid

I don’t wanna like Kill The Joke but this brings up a really cool fact about swords in ~14th-16th century Germany! The only people who were allowed to own Real Swords were the royalty and nobility BUT! Everyone else was allowed to own knives. The definition of a knife, however, was based on not length but handle construction, and to some extent how it was sharpened. The handle had to be constructed Like So with 2 pieces of wood sandwiching the metal tang.

Only one edge was allowed to be sharpened, but oftentimes a small part (a couple inches) of the short edge (e.g. the edge that wasn’t sharp) would be sharpened, and weapon design often allowed for this

In this way, something that looked like This, a messer of just over a meter in length…

…would be legally considered a knife, and therefore allowable for non-nobility to possess. (you can also see the bit on the back of the tip that would be sharpened)

So @swordmutual, there’s a not definitive but certainly interesting historical perspective on your question

This post is a good post. 

art-of-swords:

Estoc of the Trebanten Guard of the Prince Electors of Saxony

  • Dated: 1580
  • Culture: German
  • Medium: steel, iron, fish-skin 
  • Measurements: overall length 127 cm (50 inches)

The iron hilt is formed of flattened bars comprising of a pair of long quillons drooping slightly towards fish-tail terminals. The large D-shaped ring-guard is placed between and has a smaller version below, carried by a pair of arms, each ring widening towards the middle.

The inner guard is formed from a single diagonal bar, linking the head of the forward arm to the base of the rear quillon, the base of the hilt with an oval decorated tubular sleeve to fit over the mouth of the scabbard. The octagonal pommel swells about the middle and it’s cut with a pairs of narrow segmental flutes and rising to an octagonal bun-shaped button.

The grip is reinforced by moulded slender bars set between a pair of cusped and linear engraved collars and retaining its original fish-skin cover. The mounted contingent of the Saxon Trebanten guard was formed of a company of one hundred men on black horses. 

Their uniform included a blackened comb morion with etched and gilt ornament, black doublets and yellow hose and stockings, the colours being those of the Arms of the Electors of Saxony.

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